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Vinyan
Apr 8, 2009 10:03:44 GMT
Post by GreenEyesToo on Apr 8, 2009 10:03:44 GMT
I've moved Peach and Robbie's comments over from the news section: Just finished watching Vinyan. Not sure what I think of it yet, reminiscent of Apocolypse Now, in it's direction and feel of the film, dark in mood as well as cinematography. Not a happy film either the subject matter is pretty raw and the emotions are there. Ruf was quite good and has some amazing scenes, albeit not enough of them. He goes through some heartwrenching emotions that at times you think he actually lived them, he's quite believable; having a son of his own I'm sure played some part in his mind throughout the filming. Towards the end he looks completely drained and hollow. I'd have to give it another go before I completely make up my mind. It was a hard watch.....yes Rufus was superb, broke my heart in a few places, but I am not sure how I felt about the movie as a whole. Like peach, I will have to take some time and watch it again. Come on,then - more of your personal reviews needed!! ;D
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Vinyan
Apr 8, 2009 17:40:11 GMT
Post by rufluvr on Apr 8, 2009 17:40:11 GMT
Vinyan was, without a doubt, beautifully filmed and acted. For me it was mainly a visual, emotional, and atmospheric film. Nightmarish. Not a whole lot in the way of plot and dialogue (that was unexpected, or extremely interesting, anyway) Best seen on a big screen for the full effect of that excellent cinematography, since like Peach mentioned, it's all about the mood. The disintregrating of Jeane and Paul's tenuous hold on reality and connection to each other was very well presented and oh so sad. The despair and desperation were palpable. And that taxi scene was something else--really well acted on Rufus' part, esp when he says that she can't say that she knew their son better than him--ouch. The look on his face... I have more to add but have to go now!--Cakes
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Vinyan
Apr 9, 2009 3:44:15 GMT
Post by ambra on Apr 9, 2009 3:44:15 GMT
Just got my dvd today. Have it sitting on my desk here at work so I can look at Rufus. My coach noticed it and said it looked interesting. I probably won't get a chance to see it until tomorrow after work.
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Vinyan
Apr 9, 2009 22:48:53 GMT
Post by ambra on Apr 9, 2009 22:48:53 GMT
I watched the dvd last night; very intriguing, dark film. It really stays with you after it's over. Wonderful performances by Rufus and Emmanuelle; you can really feel the pain and distance between them. I liked how the disentigration of their relationship and their sanity was portrayed. Paul starts out as an enabler to his Jeanne's emotional breakdown, maybe thinking if he takes her to a couple of villages and she sees for herself that their son isn't there, she'll accept his death. Instead, it fuels her madness even more and Paul ends up being dragged down into it.
I loved the use of the line "You let him go" because it carried so much weight and meaning. When it's first used in Paul's "dream" sequence, you can see his guilt; guilt because he physically let his son go during the tsunami and/or emotionally has let his son go and accepted his death. When Jeanne says it at the end with that look of hatred in her eyes, I felt she was referring to Paul letting go and accepting his son's death, something she couldn't do and can't forgive him for doing.
I recommend watching the making of featurette as well. There's a really funny bit about 40 minutes in where Rufus looks at the camera after watching a scene with the director.
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Vinyan
Apr 10, 2009 1:19:09 GMT
Post by rufluvr on Apr 10, 2009 1:19:09 GMT
Ambra--I thought that was the most meaningfull phrase of the film too, : "You let him go". Like you mentioned it referred to his physically and mentally letting thier son go. I remember hearing/reading somewhere that in films they will refer/portray the main theme three times for continuity and impact, as was the case here. I remember thinking "is she more mad because he physically or mentally let him go??" One can't help letting go of someone when a wave comes crashing down on you, dangnabit!! They would have probably both drowned (it's very hard to save a drowning person and yourself unless you're trained to do so, many people die trying, sadly) Anyway, I realized it didn't really matter...she didn't forgive him for either obviously, and sacrificed their relationship to the alter of her despair, dragging Paul down into the madness, and then his death. Paul had faced the reality their son was gone. But when pressed with the possibility, however slight, that his son might actually be found alive, Paul felt they had to take the chance. Even if he thought it was a wild ghost chase, he didn't want to the parent who gives up, I think. Especially when deep down he felt guilty about not saving him. I wish I could say I liked this film, but it was too depressing for me to say that. (I appreciate it's quality though.) From the get-go it was a downward spiral that you knew wouldn't end well. Not that every movie needs a happy ending, but I thought something ironic at the end would have been more interesting (like that both parents had died looking for him, and he was shortly thereafter actually found or something?) The fact that the only big surprise for me was that Paul was gored rather than stoned to death, well that was sort of a let down. I'm probably just being picky, because after all, so much human emotion was portrayed so very well in the film and I should just shut up and be happy with that. For instance. It takes a very skilled director to present a sex scene with Rufus, where the only thing this viewer felt is sadness. The sadness of seeing a lonely, desperate, drunk man make love to his zombie of a wife. He had tried to connect with her before, but she killed the mood by bringing up thier dead son being in the room!
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Vinyan
Apr 10, 2009 1:34:19 GMT
Post by ambra on Apr 10, 2009 1:34:19 GMT
The sex scene really illustrated the distance between them. It was almost brutal, animalistic. They were no longer "making love", it was just sex--he was satisfying his drunken physical needs and she just laid there and let him do what he wanted to do. I think if they had made it out of the jungle, they would've ended up divorced not too long afterwards.
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Vinyan
Apr 11, 2009 2:07:11 GMT
Post by rufluvr on Apr 11, 2009 2:07:11 GMT
Their relationship had nowhere to go because she had almost become a shell of a person even before they set off into the jungle. And when you are so angry with your husband and cannot forgive him...well there's no love left. I still think a more intrigueing and thought provoking ending could have been written. How 'bout a turn-around where Paul thinks a lead they find may pan out if they get a guide to take them further into the jungle, he phones his pal who refuses to fund it, so the couple strike out on thier own to find the son but die trying. As their posh-charity sponsering friends discuss the folly and waste of thier deaths at the home gathering following their funeral a news report comes on that the son had emerged from the jungle alive. It comes out that during the tsunami he had a head injury and couldn't remember his own name. But he did remember his parents always told him to stay in one place if he was lost and they would come find him, which was what he did. He only came out when he heard rumors of a white couple looking for their lost son who was wearing a red shirt when he was lost. He still had the remains of a red shirt he was wearing when a tribe found him post tsunami, and so thought there was a chance it was his parents that were searching for him. What would be interesting about an ending like that, is it turns all our assumptions of Paul and Jeane's choices and mind-state on it's head. They weren't wrong after all. He was still alive.
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 0:52:33 GMT
Post by dirtygirldiva on Apr 13, 2009 0:52:33 GMT
I just watched it at my parents house over easter dinner....big effing mistake let me tell you. The movie itself was good...a tad odd and very......french (no offence to anybody here) but still good. And yes the emotions were raw and in your face, but the entire time I was condemning the wife. I understand how it could be hard to lose a son...especially if you never got any closure, but I'm sorry, I saw her as a crazy pshycho bi** from hell. She goes nuts thinking she saw her son alive and drags her husband along for a wild and terrifying ride into nothingness and laughs after he's killed. Now maybe her laughter was her way of releasing, or maybe it was just some odd choice of directing meant to symbolize something, but it pissed me off. Poor taste IMO. Her husband was just disembowled by a bunch of demon children and then she moans and laughs when they rub her down? Disgusting.
I'm gonna have a hard time getting this one out of my head and that is pretty unusual for me, I can normally stomach the really gory movies, but at least I understand those movies...this one>? not so much.
If anyone wants my copy...I'll give it to ya.
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 15:46:58 GMT
Post by travelover on Apr 13, 2009 15:46:58 GMT
"I just watched it at my parents house over easter dinner....big effing mistake let me tell you. The movie itself was good...a tad odd and very......french (no offence to anybody here) but still good. And yes the emotions were raw and in your face, but the entire time I was condemning the wife. I understand how it could be hard to lose a son...especially if you never got any closure, but I'm sorry, I saw her as a crazy pshycho bi** from hell. She goes nuts thinking she saw her son alive and drags her husband along for a wild and terrifying ride into nothingness and laughs after he's killed. Now maybe her laughter was her way of releasing, or maybe it was just some odd choice of directing meant to symbolize something, but it pissed me off. Poor taste IMO. Her husband was just disembowled by a bunch of demon children and then she moans and laughs when they rub her down? Disgusting.
I'm gonna have a hard time getting this one out of my head and that is pretty unusual for me, I can normally stomach the really gory movies, but at least I understand those movies...this one>? not so much."
This is something I do NOT want to watch.
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 16:39:03 GMT
Post by dirtygirldiva on Apr 13, 2009 16:39:03 GMT
oh by all means watch it...i'm not condemning it per-se...just not for me.
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 17:55:57 GMT
Post by tipou on Apr 13, 2009 17:55:57 GMT
oh by all means watch it...i'm not condemning it per-se...just not for me. hold on, hold on... danny & i will be watching it today or tonight, and we will have our word to add to the debate. given that usually i can't stand emmanuelle béart, DGD's comment makes me wary, but i will try and watch without prejudice. will be on the look out for
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 18:04:07 GMT
Post by rueful on Apr 13, 2009 18:04:07 GMT
But with Danny there will you have to hide your ?
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 18:16:30 GMT
Post by tipou on Apr 13, 2009 18:16:30 GMT
well, if emmanuelle is undressed in the same scenes, that might help.
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 18:18:44 GMT
Post by rueful on Apr 13, 2009 18:18:44 GMT
True, but she seems so much like a wax figure, that I can't see her being appealing. Of course, men's minds work so differently.
By the way, I'm happy for you that Danny is home.
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Vinyan
Apr 13, 2009 18:20:28 GMT
Post by tipou on Apr 13, 2009 18:20:28 GMT
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