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Post by jemima on Apr 13, 2007 22:33:22 GMT
you go girl! rant away to them, please! if they wanted a good pic of Ioann why ddin't they just use one from the film? why the need to fiddle about with a perfectly fab image of ruf? desperate doesn't begin to describe whoever made that choice....grrrrrr.
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Post by quoll on Apr 13, 2007 22:52:05 GMT
Absolutely - major rant in order I think! How stupid of them.
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Post by maxx02 on Apr 13, 2007 23:00:19 GMT
They could plaster Gruffudd's face on the side of a 20 story building and mount him on a snufflufigus Snuffleupagus and he still wouldn't be interesting or even a competent actor. He is the weak link in an otherwise well-acted, though not particularly good picture as more than one critic has commented upon.
Tell me does he really sell... well anything... in the UK? Perhaps they should have put Apted's face on the media.
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Post by etherealtb on Apr 13, 2007 23:15:36 GMT
They could plaster Gruffudd's face on the side of a 20 story building and mount him on a snufflufigus and he still wouldn't be interesting or even a competent actor. Did you mean Snuffleupagus?? Snuffy has been a buddy of mine since childhood, so PLEASE spell his name correctly and keep Ioan away from him, okay?
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Post by maxx02 on Apr 13, 2007 23:25:45 GMT
happy?
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Post by etherealtb on Apr 13, 2007 23:27:56 GMT
Yes, that's MUCH better! ;D
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Post by reveuse on Apr 14, 2007 0:42:35 GMT
No idea who this Snuffle-guy is?
But yes, I would say Ioan would, sadly, sell more than Ruf in the UK. All down to Hornblower and the fact that more movie-goers are telly-watchers rather than theatre-goers.
Those of us who know better are outraged, of course. (Even if we do find Ioan pretty.)
Have had my rant at the distributors and the marketers. Will doubtless be dismissed as a loony and not deemed worthy of reply. Still, it made me feel better. Especially since I worked out they also flipped the photo. Double-nerdy-shucks, that sucks.
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Post by GreenEyesToo on Apr 14, 2007 0:43:23 GMT
But the fact it's still being advertised is good, isn't it? But how dare they defile our boy!
Oh, and Ioan was on the Graham Norton Show here the week AG opened (Norton is a rather risque comedian/host here) and was very funny.
But he's nowhere near Rufe's league.
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Post by reveuse on Apr 14, 2007 0:59:56 GMT
No, but then I wouldn't compare my wallpaper with my television for entertainment value, either. ;D Multi-layered appreciation is where I'm at. And nice wallpaper makes the wait for the next watchable programme more tolerable.
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Post by jemima on Apr 21, 2007 22:09:51 GMT
i saw this twice, a couple of weeks back, basically went twice cos a friend wanted to see it after i'd been the first time - but i knew i still had mreo to get out of it, mainly because, as people have said, although roof's character didn't have loads of screentime, there were quite a lot of shorter bits of him, and he put different nuances into that role, so there was loads to watch. i was surprised by the amount of humour in the film overall, and obviously in roof's clarkson. it really felt like he'd found a way to put his own warmth into that chararcter - so it was more fun to watch than i'd expected. so for that reason i LOVED the scene at the graveside, and when he visits wilberforce who's just trying out that box for size. and most of all i thought he stole the scene on the golf course - they played it like 2 misbehaving schoolkids, brilliantly. I found the pacing repetitious as the principles tried over and over to abolish slavery without success. I missed the tension of the build up to a climax where they would finally succeed and the non-linear story-telling only exacerbated the issue. maxx, i agreed with the other things you wrote about the weak aspects, but on this one, i thought the whole point of the story was that it took ages and several attempts to swing the vote? and i think the non-linear pacing helped to make it less feel less repetitious, i really liked that non-chronological order of events actually, and i read afterwards that Apted was influenced in that by Tarantino's similar technique in Pulp Fiction, which is a film i really enjoyed. so, overall, fab to see roof bringing so much to this role, and getting the role he WANTED rather than the one he was offered. a watchable film, far from perfect, but pretty good i'd say.
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Post by maxx02 on Apr 22, 2007 0:32:48 GMT
I just thought it wasn't handled very well. It was filmed like the drudgery it must have been rather than getting closer and closer on each pass (for example by showing us who voted with them or who they lost each time and how much closer the vote was becoming) and ratcheting up the tension. Or if you are going to make it drudgery, not a very good choice, but I accept it, then you need an actor in the lead who can suffer, not one who makes faces and falls on the floor clutching his stomach and yelling like he's calling the hogs in to be fed.
Honestly, I can't remember much about it, even having seen it twice, except for Ramola Garia and Rufus. I know others liked it, but I felt the BBC does better on nearly every mini series auntie produces. I just don't think Ioan Gruffudd is a powerful or interesting enough actor to carry a film like that on his shoulders. And I found it exceedingly poorly written in more than one area. That alone means almost nothing as most everything today reads like it was written by an illiterate 12 year old.
It was just another missed chance to me. A better actor in the lead and more for the rabble including Rufus to do and it would have been a more entertaining and enlightening picture. As it was, it was about an hour too long and waaaaay too corny for me for such an important subject. When they start using tricks to evince emotion it's clear the acting and the writing failed somewhere.
I loved Rufus, however. His appearances where the only thing that kept me in my seat.
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Post by jemima on Apr 22, 2007 10:53:05 GMT
you need an actor in the lead who can suffer, not one who makes faces and falls on the floor clutching his stomach and yelling like he's calling the hogs in to be fed. very good! i'd forgotten how cringey those bits were.
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Post by GreenEyesToo on Apr 22, 2007 11:19:30 GMT
I was very impressed with Romola Garai - I'd like to see her and Rufus as leads in something, or if not leads, at least in scenes where they interact as a couple. There could be good chemistry there.
And what a gorgeous woman!
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Post by maxx02 on Apr 22, 2007 14:59:51 GMT
I was very impressed with Romola Garai - I'd like to see her and Rufus as leads in something, or if not leads, at least in scenes where they interact as a couple. There could be good chemistry there. And what a gorgeous woman! I like her quite a lot as well. She reminds me of a younger Renee Russo who I have always found, if not the greatest of actresses, at least very watchable and entertaining. One of my biggest complaints these days is that everyone is so dull and non-acting has become a pseudonym for a brilliant performance. When in reality it's a code word for "I have no talent and Hollywood (or whomever) is trying to brainwash you into thinking I'm gifted". If I wanted to see the drear of real life I'd go outside and sit on the curb. I want to see drama. I want something interesting. Has the idea that film is heightened reality completely fallen by the wayside? Give me a colorful and interesting actor every time. It's a sad commentary to me that in this film with such a powerful subject and so much potential, Rufus' 15 - 17 minutes are the only thing that kept me in my seat. If the film industry keeps up on this path it's going to find itself out of business. Why should I pay 15 dollars to see a film when the same awful garbage comes into my house for free(or relatively) on television.
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Post by quoll on May 12, 2007 17:42:55 GMT
Just in case anyone is interested (and I am sure you will be) I just bought a book - the Amazing Grace story with 4 or 5 pics of Rufus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Not quite as many as we could have hoped - more of IG, I wonder why? ? Anyway, will try and scan when I get back to base otherwise for the Poms, check out the National Trust shops - I got mine in Wells the other day. Will someone beat me to it I wonder???
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