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Post by GreenEyesToo on Jul 14, 2011 20:59:07 GMT
Don't get too excited - the only major award TPOTE is up for is Outstanding Mini-Series. It's also up for Outstanding Cinematography, Hair-Styling, Make-Up, Music, Sound Editing and Visual Effects. No Outstanding Actor/Actress, no Outstanding Supporting Actor/Actress, no nothing.  www.emmys.com/sites/emmys.com/files/PressReleaseNoms2011emmys.pdfPlus, Downton Abbey is in most of the above categories AND the major ones, and it wasn't even a mini-series!!!  |
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Post by judypatooty on Jul 14, 2011 21:05:22 GMT
Why am I not surprised. |
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Post by megagem on Jul 14, 2011 21:30:49 GMT
 Oh, for heavens sake!  Seriously, Hollywood?! SERIOUSLY?!
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Post by chocolate on Jul 14, 2011 22:32:03 GMT
I wish TPOTE to win at least in two of the categories, although the competition is quite good. I have seen "The Borgias", "Game of Thrones","House", "Grey's Anatomy" and may be some of the others (my patience is not enough right now the read all of the categories), and if you take only those first two, they are better (IMHO) than TPOTE in almost everything. Sorry for the blasphemy. Let's face it- we live in a world where there is a lot of development going on. If it wasn't for Rufus, I would let TPOTE pass by me.
I haven't seen Downton Abbey, and this reminds me that I probably should try and see some of it at least, just to adjust my vision.
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Post by kygal on Jul 14, 2011 23:30:49 GMT
That a shame! Thats Hollywood!
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Post by rueful on Jul 15, 2011 3:30:38 GMT
I haven't seen many of those other nominees, so I can't make an objective complaint about their quality. What I do think is a valid question/complaint, is how do the voters or judges justify choosing TPOTE as one of the potential Best Miniseries winners and not nominate a single actor in any category? Are they saying that they could have just filmed the empty sets and it would have turned out as well? It just makes no sense.
That said, I always think a lot of the nominations are not about the production but about the theme of the production. For example, the actors in the series about the evil, corrupt bankers were nominated, as were several actors in the film about the Kennedys. They may or may not be deserving nominees (they're definitely good actors generally), but I think the nominations are also related to the politics of the nominators.
(Downton Abbey was a lot of fun to watch and very interesting, Chocolate--I loved it and recommend it and fully intend to watch the next season, but it was basically a high-class soap opera that stole blatantly from other movies and series.)
Edited to add: My above comments should not in any way be considered a defense of evil, corrupt bankers. ;D
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Post by Petruchio - Good God on Jul 15, 2011 4:11:48 GMT
that's typical for Hollywood.... I'm not surprised ....
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Post by kissmekate on Jul 15, 2011 7:10:43 GMT
What I do think is a valid question/complaint, is how do the voters or judges justify choosing TPOTE as one of the potential Best Miniseries winners and not nominate a single actor in any category? Are they saying that they could have just filmed the empty sets and it would have turned out as well? It just makes no sense. I second that! The category "hair styling" made me laugh. Will Rufus's personal hair ruffler win? ;D (I hope they don't mean to honour the bad wigs in the last episodes, though!) |
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Post by chocolate on Jul 15, 2011 9:51:14 GMT
I had the same thoughts as rueful. I just can't phrase them so well. What really put me off the whole event is the quantity of categories and all the different series in them. It really felt like each mini-series was nominated somewhere, for some not-so-much-of-a-film related reason. The whole awards and nominations really does not do anything for me. I can appreciate a film for an actor(!!), the story, the sets, or a combination of those. To watch something just because it won some golden looking something- "No, thanks!". But one thing REALLY annoys me. Why so many people like and watch, thus support all the crap we have on TV, here or anywhere for that matter. If we stop watching all the bollocks of cheesy soap operas, reality and stupidity, we might win and have a better TV experience all together. But that's just my positive and fictional thinking... Soap opera you say, rueful, hum! I will see episode 1 and 2. The rest, only if I like those first. I so much hoped for a substantial series those to be, with their english look and all... |
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Post by rueful on Jul 15, 2011 15:09:42 GMT
I had the same thoughts as rueful. I just can't phrase them so well. What really put me off the whole event is the quantity of categories and all the different series in them. It really felt like each mini-series was nominated somewhere, for some not-so-much-of-a-film related reason. You phrase yourself perfectly and eloquently! Many of the nominations were very random. Soap opera you say, rueful, hum! I will see episode 1 and 2. The rest, only if I like those first. I so much hoped for a substantial series those to be, with their english look and all... Chocolate, I said "high-quality" soap. ;D I hope you will not consider the following a spoiler, I will try to use very general terms, but skip the next paragraph if you are concerned: By "soap" I just mean that a number of storylines had traditional soap elements--illicit love affairs, romances impeded by false difficulties, sudden deaths that "change everything," etc. A couple of times I said, "Oh, come ON!" at a development, but overall it was well written. The production values were high, the acting was fabulous, there was some humor (always appreciated in an otherwise dramatic story), and there was a lot of historical detail that I find fascinating. So I hope you will try it out and enjoy it! Last off-topic remark: I also enjoyed the new "Upstairs, Downstairs" which is set in 1936 and starred Jean Marsh, Eileen Atkins (from Cold Comfort Farm), and Ed Stoppard (from Zen). That was similar to Downton Abbey in some ways, but it actually had a few plot threads that surprised me, and that is very hard to do (because I have wasted so much time over the years plopped in front of a TV). |
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Post by nell on Jul 15, 2011 19:04:19 GMT
For my two penneth - I watched most of Downton Abbey but found it a bit plodding and not very original. I haven't seen Borgias, Game of Thrones, House or Grey's Anatomy as none of these appealed to me - oh hang on I stand corrected hubby just reminded me I tried to watch an episode of Greys Anatomy and almost lost the will to live! However, I thoroughly enjoyed TPOTE and would have watched this even if Rufus hadn't been in it. Of course it was greatly improved because he was - init! It wouldn't do for us all to be the same would it? BTW chocolate I agree with you regarding the cheesy soaps and the "reality tv" which is actually further from reality than the soaps IMHO. I kind of lump the likes of House and Greys Anatomy in with these. This is possibly slightly unfair in the case of House as I've never actually watched it. But if there's any of that damn awful canned laughter (that's just there to tell the dumb people when to laugh) you can count me out. If you haven't guessed already my thoughts at no Rufus emmy nomination is *&%?*%$@!!!!!!!! |
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Post by kissmekate on Jul 16, 2011 9:39:58 GMT
I think there's no canned laughter in "House" or "Grey's Anatomy", but the quality of the latter has deteriorated badly. I started watching it as a kind of replacement for my beloved "Emergency Room", but I didn't like all the relationship stuff from the beginning and find many of the portrayed cases totally over the top. "ER" was a lot more down-to-earth even if they had some dramatic episodes, too.
"House" isn't bad, though.
However, I don't quite understand why they put miniseries like TPOTE into the same category as long-running stuff like GA ...
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Post by tipou on Jul 16, 2011 13:12:01 GMT
For my two penneth - I watched most of Downton Abbey but found it a bit plodding and not very original. I haven't seen Borgias, Game of Thrones, House or Grey's Anatomy as none of these appealed to me - oh hang on I stand corrected hubby just reminded me I tried to watch an episode of Greys Anatomy and almost lost the will to live! BTW chocolate I agree with you regarding the cheesy soaps and the "reality tv" which is actually further from reality than the soaps IMHO. I kind of lump the likes of House and Greys Anatomy in with these. This is possibly slightly unfair in the case of House as I've never actually watched it. But if there's any of that damn awful canned laughter (that's just there to tell the dumb people when to laugh) you can count me out. i never got the hype about downtown abbey. its's mainly jane austen ultra-redux. about grey's anatomy, nell: DITTO! everytime i kind of zapped in that show, it was to see a couple talking in bed. i will interject about house though, as it has been, as a whole, vastly superior to anything on tv today in terms of plot, cast, pace, tone, and everything else. last season was mainly a disaster, but previous seasons, really, are worth a dvd look, seriously. BTW house is not a comedy, so no canned laughter. canned laughter is obnoxious, i agree. to be put in the same category as intense and endless hand clapping at the end of jeopardy, as the host and contestants totally ignores it while conversing serenely as if they were on a street corner. |
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Post by joyceinva on Jul 16, 2011 14:07:45 GMT
I have to echo Rue's comment about TPOTE being nominated for best mini-series without a single acting OR director nomination. This is one of the things that pisses me off about the Oscars so often. I mean honestly don't these voters have any brains? Do they yhink t's luck that made TPOTE so good? Not the acting or directing?
I think that not only are certain projects rewarded for being politically correct (see Rue's comments re: evil bankers & the Kennedy's) but also that the people who do the nominations try to reward friends and/or people who were over-looked in the past. Maybe that means Rufus will be a lock for a nomination next year for Zen!
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Post by GreenEyesToo on Sept 11, 2011 15:53:13 GMT
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