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Post by ambra on Jan 30, 2009 7:05:44 GMT
In reading many of the posts here, I've noticed just about all of us have made comparisons, usually not favorable, between our Rufus and other actors. Here's a thread to discuss not only those actors whose success you just don't understand but any celebrity whose fame you just don't get.
Nearly everyone has mentioned Tom Cruise. Not only does he not have the talent and/or the discipline to use a German accent for his role as a German officer, he doesn't have confidence in his own work! He actually invited several people, including members of the media, to a private screening of "Valkyrie" at his home on the condition that they say only positive things about the film! If you think your work can stand on it's own merits, you wouldn't have to strike such a bargain.
Lindsay Lohan. Why does she keep getting work? She's not only not very talented, if even a fraction of the tabloid stories are true about her, she's also an unpleasant and unprofessional person to deal with on set. Even if she was a young Meryl Streep, why would you want to hire someone who you can't depend on to show up on time, if at all?
I won't even get into the likes of Paris Hilton, the Kardasians, and the others who are famous for no apparent reason but any of the rest of you, feel free to do so!
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Post by tipou on Jan 30, 2009 7:15:44 GMT
what i dont get: that talentless people have an audience.
lets face it: ordinary folks like us make the paris hiltons of this world what they are.
what i dont get #2: comparing a list of some really bad actors who received majors awards, to a list of genius actors who never got any, makes me realize that the "industry" itself is committing suicide.
what i don't like #3: isn't film considered "the seventh art"? then why is is called an "industry"? where is the art? --- oh yes. paris hilton , lindsay lohan and tom cruise are taking care of it.
WHAT I TOTALLY GET: our dear peachy, on another thread, started to wonder about us gushing and drooling about an actor we will never meet and will never know we exist. it could be worse. we could be members of these inane celebs' fan clubs. at least, we have taste, and we know the difference between an actor and ... a non-actor. peachy, now i know, we are just fine.
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Post by ambra on Jan 30, 2009 7:28:36 GMT
WHAT I TOTALLY GET: our dear peachy, on another thread, started to wonder about us gushing and drooling about an actor we will never meet and will never know we exist. it could be worse. we could be members of these inane celebs' fan clubs. at least, we have taste, and we know the difference between an actor and ... a non-actor. peachy, now i know, we are just fine. And even if the fans of these inane celebs got to meet them, they probably would be treated like crap by said celeb and sadly, most of these people would still remain fans. I've heard nothing but positive comments from those who've been fortunate enough to meet Rufus. He obviously appericiates those who appreciate him! |
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Post by dirtygirldiva on Jan 30, 2009 17:27:47 GMT
I hear ya on that...every actor that I really like, Jason Isaacs, Alan Rickman, Albert Finney, Colin Firth, William Petersen, Jorja Fox, Julie Andrews, Ru...they all are known for being very accomodating to fans. I think they understand that without the fans, they wouldn't have a job. It is supposed to be a symbiotic relationship, Actor and Fan, but some of the younger actors just don't get it.
It's the same with other artists, or people in the limelight. My favorite musician of all time, Garth Brooks, is famous for being as dedicated to his fans as he is his craft. Cinephile, a trip-hop band from Glasgow, regularly email me and send me advance samples of their music just because I am a fan, and Lisa Lampanelli stays after her shows signing autographs until everyone that wants one, gets one. Same thing with Trick Pony.
Maybe that is why I tend to really get into local musicians and lesser known actors...*sad but true, I almost always have to explain who Ru is to someone, or Jason or Alan..*
Good thread...
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Post by lizap on Jan 30, 2009 18:04:22 GMT
our dear peachy, on another thread, started to wonder about us gushing and drooling about an actor we will never meet and will never know we exist. Oh, I must have missed this. Do you recall which forum and thread it was? I share the general feeling about Tom Cruise and have often figuratively banged my head against the wall wondering how on earth he could have attained such stature; but I had a moment recently, I guess it must have been the Golden Globes. Mr. Cruise was (naturally) given the highest award to present, it was right at the end of the show, and after he announced Slum Dog Millionaire there was a shot of him standing there beaming. And I had a fleeting moment of understanding. It's that smile, I guess. He's got a million dollar smile, and he parlayed it into a whopping career. But I have a hard time believing that accomplished actors inwardly have a real respect for his craft. On the other hand, maybe they basically do respect each other just for being able to successfully do what they do? I think it does take moxy to put yourself out there like that, even if you do it badly. I do enjoy 'A Few Good Men', but of course there Cruise had Kevin Bacon and Jack Nicholson to work off of in his best scenes. To my mind a good analogy is one of style. You know, in books about style there's always the little black dress advice. If you can't afford alot of different dresses, get a basic, classic dress you can accessorize different ways; don't, for your single evening dress, get a magenta hammered satin with an assymetrical cut that everyone will remember if you try and wear it to another event. And to me, this is Tom Cruise in cinematic terms; he only has the one dress, and it isn't the kind you can change the look of. But I guess some people love it and never get tired of it. |
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Post by ambra on Jan 30, 2009 18:53:44 GMT
Ok, I'm about to out myself as a real nerd but one of the nicest, most fan-oriented celebrities out there is "Weird Al" Yankovic. I've seen him in concert five times now and he is amazingly interactive with his audience. He's also known for being extremely generous to his fans. I have a friend at one of his fan forums who had her purse stolen at one his concerts. Luckily, she had friends there to loan her money to get home and she had an extra set of keys stashed away for her car and house. She had backstage passes after the concert and decided she wasn't going to give up the opportunity to meet him. When she mentioned what happened, Al actually offered to give her money from his own pocket to make sure she got home OK! Another friend was telling him how his music had helped her through the death of her grandmother and she started crying. He got up from the table where he was sitting to sign autographs and hugged her! Nice celebrities don't seem to get the attention or recognition they deserve but the ones who throw temper tantrums or go in and out of rehab make the headlines because stories about "good guys" don't sell papers.
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Post by ambra on Jan 30, 2009 18:57:02 GMT
Oh and lizap--great analogy with the Tom Cruise thing and the thread is in the Other Rufus Stuff section and it's called something like "  ! Sign me up! How did you become a Rufus fan?" |
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Post by lizap on Jan 30, 2009 19:24:24 GMT
Thanks, ambra!
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Post by tipou on Jan 30, 2009 19:47:50 GMT
To my mind a good analogy is one of style. You know, in books about style there's always the little black dress advice. If you can't afford alot of different dresses, get a basic, classic dress you can accessorize different ways; don't, for your single evening dress, get a magenta hammered satin with an assymetrical cut that everyone will remember if you try and wear it to another event. And to me, this is Tom Cruise in cinematic terms; he only has the one dress, and it isn't the kind you can change the look of. But I guess some people love it and never get tired of it. there you go. my, you ladies are so clever today. that is why i like george clooney. he may have only the little black dress (oh, the image that brings - too funny) but he makes the best of it. tom cruise now works in cher-like kitschy gowns.do you remember "risky business"? that was a hell of a nice little black dress. why didn't he stick to it? and, i am sorry, but that smile never worked for me. too calculated. i much prefer the outright perverse jack nicholson rictus, if we have to go to extremes. jack still has it for me, girls, can't help it... but tom cruise... i dont know, i always found him creepy after "top guns", with the possible exception of "jerry mcguire"... perhaps because he was playing a manipulative creep, or maybe it was my instant and volcanic love for cuba gooding jr. that brings fond memory. |
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Post by dirtygirldiva on Jan 30, 2009 20:14:16 GMT
I can take Tom in small doses....I like certain movies he was in, and I hate others...
What I don't get is Britney Spears...*shakes head* I turn the radio off whenever they play something of hers.
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Post by peach on Jan 31, 2009 2:42:54 GMT
I have a tale to tell. Many years ago I had gone to London for the first time, I have always loved the theatre and there was an offer I couldn't refuse. Two show plus 5 star hotel and airfare that couldn't be beat. One of those show was Phantom of the Opera with one of my favorite actors Michael Crawford, not having read any press I was excited at the fact of seeing him. Fast forward a couple of years later, the show is now on Broadway to much hoopla and buzz, Crawford is the toast of the town. My mom had made a tape of all of his appearance, as she was an even bigger fan than I, we were fortunate enough to garner tickets, when we arrived at the theatre we got a hold of the stage manager and mentioned that we had a gift of sorts for Mr. Crawford, she was so sweet and accommodating that she asked us our names and instructed us to go to the stage door directly after the show where we would be met by her. We meet (mom, dad and myself) at the stage door walking ahead of those who were waiting for him, the stage manager was there waiting for us and escorted us into the theatre, and said that Mr. Crawford was awaiting us in his dressing room. Our mouths collectively fell open and we were stunned, he was waiting for us. Up we went and there he was sitting in what looked like a barbers chair and in the process of taking off his makeup, he looked tire, and quite sweaty but those eyes were dancing, and we presented him with the tape, he thanked us profusely and we just started talking to him, my dad mostly as I was a bit stunned to be in his presence let alone his dressing room. We stayed for about 15 minutes and thanked him for taking the time and told him how much we enjoyed the show and mentioned that we had seen it in London as well. I will cherish that moment forever. He was a gentleman and so generous with his time.
After seeing R&R my sister and I did the fan thing, waited for him to sign our Playbill which of course he did and my sister started talking to him, always smiling and accommodating. There was a man with a handful of stuff for him to sign and then started asking him to pose for pics, he did so but I looked at him and he didn't look happy. That man probably sold his photos of him the next day on ebay. A real creep. The thing of it is though he did it, and willingly too. He smiled but it was superficial, nothing against him, inside I'm sure he was fuming, but again he did it because he was simply asked.
Sorry for the exceptionally long post but that's was my brush with Ruf and Mr. Crawford, both very talented performers and both exceptional and accommodating men.
p.s. when he spoke to my sister he gave an expression that reminded me immediately in the lift scene in TOTS.
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Post by tipou on Jan 31, 2009 5:49:05 GMT
ahhhh... to be looked at like this... **** sigh-faint-end credits ****
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Post by rugirl on Jan 31, 2009 16:31:38 GMT
You know who is really nice and a total gentleman (besides Ru, goes without saying)? Billy Zane, you may remember him as the baddie in "Titanic". He had the lead in Chicago about 6 years ago, and my husband and I (before my son was born) went to NY for a week to visit my family and friends, and saw the show. He was so kind when I asked for his autograph after the show, even though it was freezing outside (we were at the stage door) and even posed for a photo and then took one of my husband and me (which turned out quite lovely).
'Talent' I don't understand and am disgusted by, Amy Winehouse (sort yourself out sistah, then come back and sing), Paris, Lindsay Lohan and JLo and Madonna when they have tried to act. Their singing is just fine.
Am going to LA for work in a few weeks, will keep my eyes open for any Ru sightings, although if I actually saw him in person, I'm sure I'd faint!
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Post by tipou on Jan 31, 2009 17:29:44 GMT
rugirl, dotn faint, think of us counting on you!!!
i am not surprised about billy zane, i had heard he was a nice fellow. i first saw him in twin peaks, and i think he was a baddy in a early movie with nicole kidman and sam neil. another guy stuck with the baddie syndrom, or so it seems.
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Post by catdishy on Jan 31, 2009 19:41:05 GMT
Sam Neil is a fave..just saw THe DIsh again and he was the goodie in it.Loved him as a baddie in the first Damien film...WHOA!He's pretty cute in person, too.
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