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Post by aftereightlady on Feb 18, 2007 18:55:11 GMT
Probably as sad as not having seen the topless training scene...
I could make a little clip of that scene for you, but I have no idea how to upload it here... But if you want, you can PM me your e-mail, maybe I'll manage to upload with my normal e-mail-programm.
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Post by pattirose on Feb 18, 2007 19:13:13 GMT
That topless scene is very nice.......
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Post by mcr5137 on Feb 19, 2007 3:08:06 GMT
So are both of these scenes in the extras on the DVD or are they in the actual DVD movie that has more minutes than the original VHS did? I've been looking and cannot find my DVD anywhere! I can't remember if I let a friend borrow it or if I took it up to the cabin and left it up there! AAAARRRGGGHHHH!
Looks like a trip to Best Buy for another one!
Michelle
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Post by pattirose on Feb 19, 2007 3:23:48 GMT
The topless scene and the Paul Bettany long speech scene are in the extended version and part of the actual movie, I have no idea about the coin throwing scene - I've never seen it.
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Post by Tinkerdog on Feb 19, 2007 12:09:51 GMT
The coin throwing is located in the deleted scenes of the extended version.
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Post by reveuse on Feb 19, 2007 21:42:07 GMT
Well, I'm glad you're all enjoying the "topless" scene ;D and that so many of you have located/remembered the throwing-coins-and-food-at-the-crowd moment... ...But to return to my original question... Can anyone explain what Adhemar is supposed to be thinking/feeling when he's hurling stuff into that crowd? I know he's mightily p*£%ed off after the dance scene, where he's clearly been upstaged. So when he goes outside, he's angry and jealous. But throwing stuff at the peasants seems the antithesis of what Adhemar has been about up to then... He's more likely to grind one underfoot than provide them with a meal or the means-to-a-meal. Unless this scene is supposed to be a knee-jerk reaction to the (also cut) donations to the poor scene at the dinner table, at the start of the dance scene? I've thought about why he might be driven to toss money and food around at this point in the story..but every time I watch the actual scene he just strikes me as acting...slightly bonkers...! I believe there was one fan fiction story that explained it away as some sort of hearing defect? That he makes some reference in the film to not being able to hear music well, it coming across as a cacophany - and the fiction writer builds on this by explaining that it is this frustration that this drives him over the edge post-dance...? Or am I mixing canon and non-canon up in my mind? Only a niggle really but Adhemar is such an amusing mix of calculated cunning and spontaneous rage that it is fun to speculate exactly what is driving him at that point. And why the director chose to cut it? (Perhaps precisely because it *wasn't* clear?)
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Post by Tinkerdog on Feb 19, 2007 22:06:17 GMT
As well, the after thought may have been that the audience might see a sympathetic side to the character and cut the scene so as not to alter the intended persona of Adhemar.
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Post by oliveria on Mar 7, 2008 2:57:36 GMT
Ok i love this film it was one of my fav.
Rufus was good as a evil man. I didn't like him but he was compelling.
Heath L was so wonderfull as a man who overcame his station and become a knight. Not only that he made friends along the way and got the girl.
The music was great two.
james Purefoy another fav actor was wasted in this.
This is one of my fav moives. It proves that the good guy wins.
I can't explain Adhemar other than he was spoiled man who usually got what he wanted and was throwing a fit.
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Post by rufluvr on Mar 8, 2008 22:56:39 GMT
Reveuse- Just noticed your question. I don't remember the dinner donations scene that was cut and how that might relate to the coin one. But, here's my take on the coin tossing scene: Adhemar as you mentioned, had just been one-upped by William and was frustrated and jealous. This is after William had already impressed "the lady" in front of Adhemar with his mercy/kindness at the joust, which Adhemar viewed as weakness. Adhemars tossing of the coins to the poor was done in a sarcastic and scornful way. The friars were planning to hand them out in a dignified manner, with real compassion for the poor, but Adhemar grabbed the basket as if to say "Fine, I can play the good guy too, get attention too" But of course his heart is clearly not in it, he is not sincere, we already know what little he thinks even of country knights that are "little more than peasants". He flings them in a disrespectful manner as if to dogs, making them fight for them and causing a riot. He might as well have said "You want charity? Come fetch and fight for it you animals!" At least that was my interpretation of it.
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Post by lassie on Mar 8, 2008 23:27:54 GMT
I'm not that good at explaining myself in words, but I'll have a go as to what I think that scene meant. I hope it makes sense and you understand my longwinded explanation!!
I think Adhemar felt extremely undermined/vulnerable that he didn't understand what other people felt and enjoyed when listening to music. The monk he was standing next to said that some people called it a sin, but that he enjoyed it. I think it just reinforced to Adhemar that although he liked to think of himself as better than everyone else, here was something that even a simple monk could get pleasure from, but he could not. The crowd looked to be waiting in an orderly fashion for the food/ money and the monk looked as though he was in charge. I think Adhemar grabbed the basket to rebuild his ego and take control. He threw food at the crowd and in to the crowd (not in a kind way) so it wouldn't be fair who got food and who did not. He took the money teasing and taunting the people with it, baiting them - treating them like animals so he could feel superior. He ignored the good monk behind him. Adhemar enjoyed watching the people squirm and revelled in being the focus of their attention as they looked up at him. Then as they got closer he grew bored with them and threw all the coins at once, again making sure that fariness and sharing had failed. (I think he felt it was unfair that he was deaf to the tones). He had proved to everyone (and to himself) that he was superior. He had enjoyed that sinful behaviour.
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Post by dirtygirldiva on Nov 24, 2008 23:22:07 GMT
I tottaly forgot about the shirtless scene in the woods...sexy bastard!
I agree with everyone praising the music choices..it's kind of like Dirty Dancing...a lot of the music was not around in the 60's...but it didn't really matter, because it was more of pop-culture/fantasy type movie...which is fine...it is what it is...I do think the plot could have been thickened a bit...with a bit more Rufus...
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Post by robbiesheik on Nov 25, 2008 3:28:04 GMT
Just for fun!!
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Post by pitzel on Nov 25, 2008 5:46:07 GMT
robbiesheik, Thank You. I am speechless.
Pitzel
PS Happy Thanksgiving (I know what I am thankful for)
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Post by tipou on Jan 19, 2009 3:18:27 GMT
ok - my turn...
tonite i hosted a special edition of the "girl movie sunday" - special edition because "a knight's tale" is not exactly a girl movie in the strict sense of the words, but also because i started the alarm when i realized i had just received a rufus dvd with A FRENCH SOUNDTRACK...
every girl volunteered for a special screening.
well, we had a lot of fun.
first, this movie is hilarious from beginning to end, the acting, the music, the anachronic jokes, even lady jocelyne's punk/audrey hepburn/star trek outfits just had us screaming all the way through.
i so understand that someone expecting a serious movie about chivalry and honour might be... shall i say, unsaddled. sorry, could not help myself.
but come on... heath ledger (may rest his soull, sweet little angel) superbly played the part of the apprentice knight, paul bettany totally stole the show, james purefoy was soooooooooo gorgeous - love that coat he wore at william's knighting, i want one of those.
we all ended up cheering at the joisters, there was even a wave started at the beginning of the world championship sequence.
oh! come on! you all must have seen the many references to hockey, baseball, wrestling, boxing, and so on and so forth... and william's posse who looked more and more like glam rock stars as they grew richer... and the rapid characterisation of count adhemar - punching his servants in the nose after less than a minute onscreen... no subtlety there, friends, we're in comedy overdrive.
no doubt about who are the good guys, fair-headed and petulant, and about who is the villain, all in black, cruel, a cheat, a yellow bastard who despises women and frightens his employees.
yes, the villain.
good thing i had my friends with me. the villainy of rufus was a schock. they had to comfort me throughout.
(mimi): but he plays a great villain. i mean... he's good. (pauline): and he's a dreamboat anyway. (manon): can you get back to that shirtless scene once again, please? lise will feel better. i will too. (group laughter)
see, it was the first time i saw rufus as a villain, while i actually knew who he was. i mean, other roles of villains i have seen of him, but i made the connection only after i saw him as the heartbreaking ghost trader in "out of the blue", as the jaw-droppingly gorgeous lord marke in T&I, and as the darling mick in "in a savage land".
oh, the villain.
so we booed rufus. yeeeeessss, i must admit i booed rufus. he was soooooooooooooo awfully horrible. oh the little bastard.
the little bastard with the dream pecs that got the girls cheering for him all of a sudden, and who then started to appear and re-appear on the screen an improportionate amount of time. it looked like the shirtless practice scene was repeated every 5 minutes or so. i mean, it was one looooong evening. movie: 2.5 hours. shirtless scene: priceless. and at least an extra 30 minutes.
(pauline): no but this guy is a real piece of S**t. (helene) : who is? (pauline): adhemar. (mimi): the french guy with the pecs? (manon, taking the remote): yeah, you know, the guy in scene 20... (shirtless scene repeats) (all together): oh yeah... the bastard... look at him... oh i would spank him... come here bad boy... drop the breeches, time for mommy to spank ya... you bad, bad, boy...
as i said before, the girls from the "girl movie sunday" crowd do not count subtlety among their main qualities.
anyway, i would like to point out one major flaw towards the end, which the girls all noticed despite their lack of subtelty: william is so injured by adhemar's treacherous hit, that he has to get his lance strapped to his arm, he has to remove his armour because of the pain, can hardly stand on his horse, he musters the courage to deliver a blow that should have dislocated this already torn shoulder, yet he jumps over the rail and runs towards his lady love as if he just stepped out of bed.
ah well, yes, he was the hero.
so there you go.
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Post by peach on Jan 19, 2009 4:10:17 GMT
I hated this movie with a passion and Ruf kinda looked bored by the whole thing. I loved the "Golden Years" scene, b/c he looks so miffed by the whole display of the party goers. Yes the topless scene is worth it, (my goodness it's quite warm in here, time for cold shower) and I rooted for him throughout. Heath was sweet and the leading lady was a stiff. Hated the script and esp. didn't like Bettany. I did like the anachronistic use of the music it worked for me and I thought it a good device to move the story along. If anyone noticed the music fit each scene it was placed into. Very clever. But there were a few plot lines and found some of it a bit disjointed.
Still it was a chance to see Rufus in action and it didn't let me down there.
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