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Post by etherealtb on Apr 20, 2007 0:23:00 GMT
Okay, who else besides myself really like Rufus in this? Its not a good movie, by any stretch of the imagination, but I thought Ruf was really good in it. He plays a total whack job really well, don't you think? LOL.
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Post by maxx02 on Apr 20, 2007 0:28:32 GMT
Me. In fact it's one of his performances I like quiet a lot. There are times when he gets dangerously close to going overboard but you can really see the potential. I'd love to see him do something like this again. I'll bet it would be spectacular.
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Post by barfleur on Apr 20, 2007 1:02:11 GMT
Okay, who else besides myself really like Rufus in this? Me - he's very convincing!! The look on his face in the "card game/knife" scene (don't what to give too much away here) is brilliant! But, as always with his bad guys, he shows just enough vulnerablilty to make the audience feels some sympathy for him. G xo |
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Post by maxx02 on Apr 20, 2007 1:20:47 GMT
And the foot kissing, don't forget the foot kissing...
There are just a lot of lovely little elements in this that I really enjoy, like the scene on the terrace where he's playing the game with his shoe.
And the fact that he shaves which you'd think might be a dead give-a-way to Mr. Jones something was up...
lol! And the massage scene...
And the very first scene where we meet Ricardo for the first time. Every time I see that scene I think of Rufus having played Sebastian Flyte and what an interesting role it might have been for him in his youth.
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Post by ree on Apr 20, 2007 7:36:28 GMT
Oh me, me too! I'm glad I'm not the only one who wasn't totally
creeped out by Martin Ricardo. I enjoyed that I didn't know what he might do next.
In fact after seeing this film I read the book, and discovered that Rufus, as usual, added dimensions to this character's personality that made him more interesting than he otherwise would have been. I think he managed, in the dialog during the foot kissing scene, to explain everything about Martin. What he had become and why, and who he really wanted to be. I thought it was a very touching scene, though I have to say that Martin was very unpredictable with a bare minimum of self-control. On the other hand he was also very impressionable and trusting. I liked seeing Rufus in this role, and would also like to see him portray another volatile, dangerous character in the future. I love the fact that he insists on making his characters multifaceted, even Martin, even Tim, though to a lesser degree.
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Post by etherealtb on Apr 20, 2007 15:53:44 GMT
But, as always with his bad guys, he shows just enough vulnerablilty to make the audience feels some sympathy for him. That's so true. I think a lot of actors forget that a "villain" don't see themselves as villains, they are the "hero" of the story from their own point of view, ya know? Every time I see that scene I think of Rufus having played Sebastian Flyte and what an interesting role it might have been for him in his youth. Oh, my gawd! You are so right, he'd have been so perfect as Sebastian. (For those who only know the mini, Sebastian actually had DARK hair in the book, not that Anthony Andrews didn't do a great job.) |
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Post by jemima on Apr 20, 2007 22:18:20 GMT
There are times when he gets dangerously close to going overboard but you can really see the potential. I'd love to see him do something like this again. I'll bet it would be spectacular. agreed! i'd read bad stuff about this film on minx's board, so i approached it with low expectations, but i thought roof's performance was really intruiging. overall i thought the whole film came over as a bit wooden, especially the woman's character (can't remember her name) and thought that must've been the director's doing. i mean, there were some good actors in it! so it was all a bit confusing to see such a limp result. and i loved that tropical atmoshphere it put across so well, really oppressive and sticky. but yeah, roof did good, and would love to see him do an equally bizarre character again |
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Post by GreenEyesToo on Apr 21, 2007 13:30:32 GMT
Hm, I wasn't going to, but after reading these comments, I think I'll have to watch this again soon. I didn't much like the film as a whole on the first viewing, pretty much for the reasons Jemima has given, and my copy of the video was pretty poor, which didn't help. But I'm willing to have my mind changed. If necessary.  |
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Post by pattirose on Jun 30, 2007 5:10:51 GMT
I hate to say it and I never thought anything could possibly be worse than Zorro but this has replaced Zorro as my least favorite Rufus movie.
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Post by maxx02 on Jun 30, 2007 13:48:59 GMT
aw really? It's not one of my favorite films, but I love Rufus in it. I'd love to see him do something like again. He creates such a wonderful oily, odious, sad little man that I just can't help but like and empathize with. It's a lot more fun to watch him here than in Zorro where there is nothing much to for him to do.
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Post by pattirose on Jun 30, 2007 15:16:05 GMT
I really enjoyed seeing him in that role and would also love to see him do something similar but there just wasn't enough of him or should I say too much of the other actors to bother even watching it again. I felt the movie, as a whole was horrible, even Rufus's excellent performance couldn't salvage it. It wasn't the acting per say but the script and editing and the way the movie flowed (or didn't) it just seemed disjointed and rather boring to me.
There were some awesome scenery shots but instead of having them as the backdrop to a scene they were cut and pasted in to show beautiful scenery. I mean a shot shouldn't make the viewer stop and say "Oh my - what a beautiful shot".
As to his creepy character I liked his portrayal of Tim 1000X better.
I've seen three bad movies by three of my favorite actors this week - I guess it had to happen sooner or later......
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Post by rufluvr on Jul 3, 2007 0:23:12 GMT
Rufus inhabited his character really well in Victory, I thought. I liked the female lead really well too, so their scenes together were the best parts of this rather bad film. Its been said before how wooden Dafoe's performance was, and I agree. What surprised me is that I didn't care for Sam Neils performance all that much either, I thought he overacted just a bit and the character was terribly cliche' and predictable--maybe it was the writers/directors fault 'cause they wanted him that way? I have just seen that type of character done before, and it just didn't seem that novel or interesting to me. I agree that they did a great job of establishing that tropical, and dreary sense of place. All dressed up with nowhere (interesting) to go. I think I have rarely seen such a simplistic plot.
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Post by appledapple on Sept 27, 2007 23:12:15 GMT
I've been meaning to ask about this cap, (I've never seen the Victory, and I only know what it's basic plot is), but what is he doing in this pic?   What's going on? Where's his hand (  )? Etc..... Can someone please explain? |
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Post by maxx02 on Sept 27, 2007 23:35:09 GMT
He's come to the island with Mr. Jones and he finds the woman. He's hiding in her room watching her bathe, and when the house is finally empty he steps out and announces himself (I think he's already trying to convince her to leave with him at this point) Anyhow, I think he touches her, just takes her arms and she gives him a knee between the legs. He's recuperating in this cap--or at least attempting to recuperate. A few seconds later he's admiring her spirit and trying to convince her she'd be better off with him. Hope this helps.  |
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Post by ree on Sept 28, 2007 0:08:06 GMT
Don't feel too sorry for him. At this point she'd never actually
met Martin, and he was not at all smooth in his approach to
women. Sort of a jump 'em and see how far you can get kind
of guy. But as Maxx said, she won his admiration, first by fighting
back, and then by not screaming or making the fuss he expected.
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)? Etc..... Can someone please explain?