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Post by rueful on Apr 28, 2011 1:52:38 GMT
 Love your kidnapping cap-it, GE2. I'm sure Zen wouldn't work too hard to get him back. ;D
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Post by kissmekate on Apr 28, 2011 6:02:34 GMT
Great caps, GE2! I wish there was someone like Aurelio around in real life! Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'll just say what a load of old panda poop from Danny Cohen! Love the "panda poop" But you're all so right ... Cohen knows exactly that he made a stupid decision and doesn't have the guts to admit it  (And how "new" exactly is the idea of remaking some Dickens adaptation?  ) |
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Post by walt on Apr 28, 2011 6:05:37 GMT
@ GE2: your picture story is hilarious! I agree Judy, with all the uproar he must know by now how stupid he was. Unlikely he'll ever admit it though. New bosses think it's dangerous to admit mistakes. Rueful, I'm afraid you are absolutely right - DC would never admit that axing Zen was a wrong decision, but probably stand to it as long as he has his job. My only hope is that this will not be for a long time after all that contradictory rubbish he produced - like the interview Rueful posted. |
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Post by fudge on Apr 28, 2011 12:44:06 GMT
Just put computer on news flash on msn article asking why danny cohen has axed Zen come on girls we neen to answer him there is only a few replys so far.
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Post by rueful on Apr 28, 2011 16:01:00 GMT
Hi, Fudge. Welcome to The Rooftop! I've seen a few similar articles about Cohen's decision, but I'm not sure which msn article you're referring to. Can you put a link for us to follow? (Copy the URL--usually it starts out "http" and is found at the top of your screen--and paste it between brackets with the following code: [*url] [/*url]--but without the * ). Thanks. I loved the following twitter response to Cohen's statement: arrroberts: BBC1 Controller: "Rufus Sewell axed because ''he's better looking than I am'" ;D Here's an article in the Guardian (they sure do seem to love Zen, bless them!) asking for reader response. There's a poll about crime drama generally (not just Zen), and I was able to vote without registering. Anyone who is registered can leave a comment. www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/poll/2011/apr/28/television-crime-drama\
Is there too much crime drama on TV?
BBC1 chief Danny Cohen justified the decision to axe Zen by claiming there were too many crime series on our screens. So are there – and which would you kill off?
On Wednesday BBC1 controller Danny Cohen defended his decision to axe Zen, starring Rufus Sewell, on the basis that television already has too many male detectives and crime dramas. "You can't keep on doing everything if you want to bring in new things. I felt that we risked having too many male detectives, and arguably we have had maybe too much crime," Cohen said.
Normally I wouldn't argue with the focus on male detectives. I, like everyone else, tire of seeing women murdered, and men solving the crimes. But oddly, this is quite a good time for women detectives. They've been dominating BBC4's Saturday night schedules for weeks in the form of The Killing's Sarah Lund and, currently, Spiral's Laure Berthaud. A new series of The Closer has recently begun on More4. ITV1 is also in on the act: the channel has two new female policemen arriving on screens next week – Case Sensitive's Charlie Zailer, in an adaptation of Sophie Hannah's Point of Rescue, and (surely not!) the older, dowdy Vera, played by the brilliant Brenda Blethyn.
Things are by no means equal, and its notable that two of my examples are European imports, but these are steps in the right direction. In fact when it comes to female detectives, it seems BBC1 really is rather lagging behind
But what about the bigger question here: namely, is there too much crime drama on TV? I'm the first to say I love a crime novel: British, Italian, French, Swedish – my commute is not complete unless I've dipped into one. So it's no surprise that I also love a crime drama. And I'm not alone. The reason there are lots of crime dramas is the same reason there are lots of crime novels: they're popular. What's more they travel well across international borders, both on the page and on screen. Commercially, they make good sense.
Which is not to say I watch all of the telly detective shows. Like anyone else, I'll cherry pick my favourites and ignore those that I either haven't got time to discover, or have no wish to watch. They are all quite different programmes: lumping them all up together doesn't make any sense. Sherlock, for instance, must count as crime drama – but would you discuss it in the same bracket as Midsomer? What has Thorne got in common with Marple? Luther with Zen?
However, even allowing for the pick-and-mix approach that viewers will inevitably take, the sheer number of shows on offer is, at the very least, surprising. I can think of a good handful I'd get rid of without a second thought – although my list would doubtless be different from that of other viewers. So which would you kill off, if any? Are there any you have a particular soft spot for? Which new cops might you actually make room for on the schedules? Your thoughts please – and of course your votes. Is there is too much crime drama on TV? Let us know …
So far, the poll is showing more than 78% don't think there's too much crime drama. |
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Post by wichiwoman on Apr 28, 2011 17:15:17 GMT
Too much Cohen, not enough Zen.
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Post by rueful on Apr 28, 2011 17:51:20 GMT
Too bad that's not a possible response, Wichi!
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Post by fudge on Apr 28, 2011 17:57:19 GMT
hi rueful. saw it on http//tv.ukmsn.com/newsarticles.aspx?documentid=15720 bbc controller explains Zen. I have tried rueful to send an answer but I am not having much luck. Cant seem to get it ot get through. I am not very good on the computer. Just love Rufas and i have been complaining everywhere. We need to get Zen back it was soooooo good. There have been some good replies about 50 so far.
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Post by rueful on Apr 28, 2011 18:15:00 GMT
Hi, Fudge. I think this is the article you mean. Thanks for pointing it out. tv.uk.msn.com/news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=157203672I see that most comments on that article are complaining about the cancellation. I know that there has been a facebook campaign too. Here is a link in case you haven't seen it. www.facebook.com/DetectiveZen?v=wall&filter=1A lot of members here wrote to the BBC, as well as to Left Bank Pictures (the producers). If you read through this thread from the beginning, you can see some of the replies. The replies from the BBC were very unsatisfactory, but the replies from Left Bank (who of course want to keep the production going) are more hopeful. Zen is going to appear in the US on PBS this summer, and I think it's running in Australia now, so I hope that overseas popularity will persuade some network to commission more episodes. It's nice to have you here on the message boards. When you get a chance, why don't you pop into the Members thread and introduce yourself. We're always eager to meet new people. |
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Post by walt on Apr 29, 2011 6:00:14 GMT
Since there is still discussion about the axing of Zen, should we try and start another campaign to show BBC and others that our interest in a new Zen season was not only temporarily?
I mean, IMHO this article shows that Danny Cohen is still under pressure, so why not squeeze a little more? What do you think?
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Post by Petruchio - Good God on Apr 29, 2011 7:35:07 GMT
Cohen is the biggest IDIOT in the world... even he's still under pressure, but this sentence "Too much crime and too many male-detectives" .... Nevertheless, a lame excuse -
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Post by kygal on Apr 29, 2011 9:58:24 GMT
Too much crime drama...axe something else! Bring Zen back!
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Post by fudge on Apr 29, 2011 10:28:18 GMT
Hi Walt yes i think we should put all the pressure on danny cohen that we can, i am willing to complain everywhere again, actually i am still complaing on the bbc complaints website. I just cannnot believe that we will not see Zen again. I think that Rufas fit that part like a glove.
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Post by fudge on Apr 29, 2011 18:15:24 GMT
Hi everyone been on the link its on rueful 248 tv.uk.msn there is now 80 comments about the axing of Zen people are really angry with cohen mine is wisecountrygirl. If every body can feel free to make a comment about how you feel about losing Zen. Keep fingers crossed.
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Post by walt on May 3, 2011 5:38:24 GMT
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